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confinement confusion by TriffRaff confinement confusion by TriffRaff
From :icondurendal5150: 's Legacy-Verse.

As one can imagine from the difference in scale, it is relatively common for an Alaereen to take a Human prisoner. However, that means that the Humans must be kept secure afterwards. As much as the soldiers enjoy personally watching over thier captives, they can only do so for so long, and it is a waste of womanpower. Putting them in holding cells designed for Alaereen isn't secure. Putting them in boxes isn't sanitary. Anyone who suggests keeping them in doll-houses isn't being serious.

Here was the eventual solution to the prisoner-keeping-dillema: a self-contained Human-holding-cell. Sized comfortably for a single prisoner, or intimately for two, it consists of a clear plastic box with an attached utiltiy stack. Battery-powered ventilation and climate controls. A water supply. And a waste reservoir. Stick a segment of a ration-bar in the cell with them, and the Human is secure for week. Or put a bunch of cells on shelves and hook up each unit to a water/sewer/power tap, and you can scale-up to an entire holding facility!

A brilliant design, marred only by a single factory defect. A misprint casued the instruction to be shown upside-down on the completed product, which always casues some degree of confusion when an Alaereen sets up her first unit...
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haruau Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013
upside down room, FLIP IT PLEASE!
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happiest-in-shadows Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2010
Well hopefully the human can communicate well enough to explain that humans can't walk on the ceiling and he needs the cell turned upside down. Can you imagine how angry he would be if the toilet had already been used? Actually it'd probably be upsetting if it had even been ready to be used.
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TriffRaff Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2010
Eh, she'll figure it out soon enough on her own...
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macrossmecha Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2009
Mind if I used that idea?
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TriffRaff Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2009
Heh. It's hardly the kind of idea one can lay sole claim to... Go right ahead. 'Specially since your other comment makes it sound like you already have. ;)
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macrossmecha Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2009
lol yea it does
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macrossmecha Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2009
Hey thats my pic .I drew something like any way . But cool drawing
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timing2 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
:rofl: That human must think it's some strange form of torture or a test. And yeah, she does look confused. Nice one.
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TriffRaff Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2009
"Wait, I supposed to...what sleep in this? How?"
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Blazbaros Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Did she punch air holes in it. . ?
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TriffRaff Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2009
Y'know, I thought of that, but it seemed like it would be hard to draw, and clutter up what I wanted to show...
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Blazbaros Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True true. . . air vents?
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TriffRaff Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2009
Uh, same thing. I just didn't think about drawing.
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Blazbaros Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
XD Gotcha
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IronGE Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009
!!!They just see humans as...

beat me to it! Still funny
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TriffRaff Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009
Eh, its not quite that they 'see them as ___' anything, just that 'they have the ability to treat them as ___'. And, in a wartime environment, what can be done usually must be done....

Glad to have amused!
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WestlandCobra Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009
hmmm...wait a minute where's the HD TV, jacuzzi, entertainment center and library. For god sakes at least get me a shower


:D It must suck being a POW but at least there isn't too much torture...right? ^^;
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TriffRaff Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009
Eh, its a waste of resources to put a shower (or entertainment) in every stall...This is a prison cell, after all...I suppose if they need to washed, they can be taken out and washed individually. Which, could be good or bad. *wink*wink*nudge*nudge*
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WestlandCobra Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009
hmmm...I guess entertainment time would be shower time too :D
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shazzlnet Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
Aha, a shower would be a sensible addition, but Triff can't be expected to think of everything ahead of time.

as for torture, absolutely not. most officers would dish out severe punishments for the mistreatment, and especially harm, of prisoners.

then again, I've read one where a certain vindictive officer doesn't take prisoners...
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WestlandCobra Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009
Just joking on that deparment ^^

And happy to hear that
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TriffRaff Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009
Except for the demonstative choking. And the various degrees of mindscrewing by telepaths. Perhaps not 'torture', but certainly a violation of Human convensions... :|
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shazzlnet Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
you're not gonna let that go, are ya? It took me a while to figure out how that sleeper hold would work, and when I asked around about how one could see an alaerin harmlessly subduing a human would work, do you know how many times I heard 'a flick to the head'? One reason I brought it up in the story, for the reasons that the instructor gave. that kind of impact could kill a human. Would you have rather seen that going around? flicks to the head with such varying results?
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TriffRaff Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2009
Only because it flies so directly in the face of the "Alaereen would never be cruel" statements that are brought up so often...

And I don't begrudge the sleeper-choke! It is actually a clever idea. But to do that to an unarmed/helpless prisoner? That is the hiegth of cruelty! It would bring hysterical allegations of torture if done today, and even in calmer times would be a violation of modern-Human societal norms. Unless the Alaereen have different norms, and would feel just as casual about seeing an Alaereen prisoner chained up and subdued as part of a demonstration...

And to be clear, I'm not begruding a bit of cruelty. (Just look at my gallery...:P )It's war, it can be justified or excused, in small/reasonable amounts. But to say its not there at all, or that prisoner and captor will get along perfectly just seems to be stretching things a bit.
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shazzlnet Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
not saying 'they never would', Siyyu almost killed Derrik after all in a haze of hate at the thought of being the only survivor and losing her oldest, closest friend. They're just as capable as humans at doing terrible things, but they think very differently from us.

So train them in the battlefield against a fully-armed and outfitted enemy soldier? you and I think extremely differently, cause I see the act of them demonstrating non-lethal means of incapacitation, not to mention actually admitting to their troops and showing them what they're up against, a good thing. sure, the human is obviously not undergoing this voluntarily, but, once again, at least he's not the practice dummy for the entire class. we can both agree that would go too far.

I think I just submitted a journal about this very topic, about how it wasn't the 'small/reasonable amounts' of cruelty that I was having issues with in trying to continue writing.
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TriffRaff Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2009
Uh, my point was that demonstrating those tactics *on a prisoner* was cruel, border-line torture, and certainly mistreatment. Which you had originally mentioned in the 'absolutely not' paragraph. So it would absolutely not be tollerated, unless, you know, it would. :|

Eh, I think we've about run this thread dry. I'm heading off for the holiday soon anyway. Have a good one...
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shazzlnet Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
I meant it in a general sense, and before I fly off into another tangent, I'll just drop the whole thing.

enjoy yours as well
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Durendal5150 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
I don;t even know where to go with this one, so I think I'll just say "Play nice" and let you two sort it out.
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shazzlnet Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
I can already see the comments about 'they just see humans as pets! warblewarblewarble!!!' but still a good one.

one silly mishap leading to such confusion. at least it's a quick fix
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boriseng Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009
Yeah I was kind of expecting to see a "hamster wheel" in there.
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TriffRaff Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009
He's probably expecting that, too.
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